Escaping Rock Bottom With Brandon Lee
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Escaping Rock Bottom With Brandon Lee

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Trigger warning: We talk about drug addiction, sex addiction, and sexual abuse of children on this week’s episode of Pride.  Brandon Lee is a successful journalist who has won two Emmys for his investigative reporting into child molestation and the opioid epidemic. But until 10 years ago, he was living a double life: One as a smiling news anchor and the other as a sex and drug addict. Be sure to follow Brandon on IG and listen to his podcast, Escaping Rock Bottom. Your host is Levi Chambers, co-founder of Gayety. Follow the show and keep up with the conversation @Pride. Want more great shows from Straw Hut Media? Check out or website at strawhutmedia.com. Your producers are Levi Chambers, Maggie Boles, Ryan Tillotson and Edited by Sebastian Alcala Have an interesting LGBTQ+ story to share? We might feature U! Email us at lgbtq@strawhutmedia.com. *This podcast is not affiliated with Pride Media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

A note to our listeners. On today's episode of Pride We talk about drug addiction, sex addiction and sexual abuse. If those are potential triggers for you, you might want to sit this one out. Strawut media, things are rarely what they seem. In this era of carefully curated personal brands and instagram feeds, the external image of people we see is not only an exaggeration, it's sometimes simply inaccurate. My guest to day spent years of his life struggling with addiction and somehow still managed to keep his day job as a television news anchor. Even through night long drug fuel benders. He managed to keep his appearance intact until, of course, he couldn't any more. Brandon Lee has now been sober for nearly a decade. He hosts a podcast of his own about recovery called escaping rock bottom, and speaks to groups about breaking the cycles of drug abuse. Today we'll talk to brandon about his own drug use, unspoken darkness in the Gay Community, his journey to recovery and how a traditional twelve step program didn't match up with his loyalties. I'M LEA by Chambers, and this is pride. My Name's Brandon Lee. Brandon lives in Arizona now, but he grew up in southern California in the S and s. He started to pursue journalism after attending nyu and ended up winning an emmy. In two thousand and seven we went after a fire chief who we found out through sources was a convicted child sex offender. So we did an expose on that fire chief. And then the most recent one I wanted, emmy four was for a mini news documentary that I did on the heroin epidemic here in Arizona and needle exchange programs. Brandon works as an anchor for Arizona's family television stations, CBS five and three TV. This year he released a memoir that recounts Surviving Sexual Abuse As a child and how it led him down a path of addiction. The book is called Mascara boy. When I was a kid, I used to get bullied every single day. They used to call me makeup boy and Mascara boy on the way to work. I have super dark eyelashes where it does yes look like I have eyeliner on. Even to this day I get viewers that email me saying why do you want to be Johnny Depp, why do you have your eyeliner? Like? Why do you have eyeliner on and I don't? And so I finally thought, wow, how awesome would that be to tell all of my bullies that this is how you used to bully me? But I don't care what you say or think about me anymore. So I'm actually going to make it the title of my book.

In his book, Brandon describes the Circuit and party scene that he was a part of in Los Angeles. Drugs were everywhere and even though Brandon started using cocaine at fifteen years old, he managed to avoid it when he moved to New York at Nineteen. I saw my friends doing crystal meth around me, and it's something I just stayed away from. I looked at them all. They looked like skeletor. I'm like, Y'all look Gross, you look scary, you don't talk. Instead, brandon stuck to GHB at first. GHB stands for Gamma Hydroxy butyic acid. Medically, it has been used as a general anesthetic and is still used to treat narcolepsy. Recreationally, it's a party drug and a date rape drug. When taken in large quantities, it can cause confusion, drowsiness, vomiting and loss of consciousness, but when taken in smaller amounts, GHB produces feelings of euphoria and increased sex drive. It's often called liquid ecstasy. That was my drug, a choice, and I'll never forget. I was in Los Angeles and I had done a dos a g and I was at a bathhouse, the Hollywood spa and because my inhibitions were lowered, because I was had already done a Dosa Ghb, I met this guy at the bath house and we went back to his little room and he pulled out his backpack and he pulled out a pipe and he asked me, he's Los like Hey, do you want to hit off the pipe? And you know I did. I said yes because my inhibitions were down. And the moment I took a hit off that crystal meth pipe, if any of your listeners to have ever been to a bath house and you know there are mirrors everywhere, and so when I took a hit off that Methpipe, I looked at myself in the mirror as I was doing it and like honestly, when I tell people I inhaled the devil, I really did. I inhaled evil into my body and I saw it in my eyes. It was this cloud of darkness that consumed me, and this the scary part about that is I remember it so vividly that I had like this joker, ask Evil Grin on my face that I knew I had met my match. I knew I was going to go down in flames, it was going to be dark, but I actually got excited about that and I remember those feelings of butterflies and knowing that this drug was going to take me down. After that night at the Hollywood spot, Brandon spent the next six months spiraling. That's all it took for crystal Meth to bring me down to my knees, and I'm grateful for that. I tell people I'm grateful that I'm a recovered crystal methodic because had I not been introduced to crystal, I may have prolonged my recovery. You know, I may have been using for another few years before I hit my rock bottom. Brandon overdosed on Meth and GHB at the Hollywood spot six months later. Luckily, the person he was with called the police before running away brandon had fallen and hit his head when he overdosed, and I went to the hospital and they needed to do brain surgery and when I came out of the coma, I told the doctors I didn't want to have brain surgery. So I unhooked myself from the machines and I started. I walked out of a hospital with my Damn Hollywood hospital robe on and like those little sticky...

...socks from the hospital and I walked down Sunset Boulevard and I found my truck and I got back inside my truck and the first thing I did was open up my glove compartment. I got out my crack pipe and I immediately smoke crack in my truck and I don't remember anything from there. The deal with the devil is he's going to make you feel so damn good that you're going to want to chase that good. And the problem is is every time you take a hit, you feel that good, lesson less until you become this miserable, sad, empty, depressed shell of a human being. And so I remember that first time I did it at that bathhouse, I was like game on, I'm going to have sex for the next seventy two hours, and I did and it was amazing. I enjoyed it. So what did I do? The next weekend came and I did it, but the next weekend wasn't the same. Brandon remembers driving to flex nightclub in Hollywood and sitting in his car in the parking lot and I started crying and I was like I don't want to do this, like I don't want to go in to this bathhouse, I don't want to be here, and I remember saying to myself all I want is a monogamous relationship. Oh, I want is to be married to a man and I want to have a white picket fence and I want to have a family and I just I want to go the grocery store on a Sunday morning. And I remember saying that to my self, crying in the parking lot. And what did I do? Like a freaking Zombie, I turned my car off, I grabbed my bag full of my drug supplies and paraphernalia and I walked right into flex. There is a name for what Brandon was involved in during his years as an addict. It's called Keem, sex, party and play and HH, which is the use of specific drugs to enhance sex. Your ecstasy, your GHB, your crystal Meth, those three drugs, I will say more, Ghb and crystal Meth, are a prevalent combination that are used together in the gay community and it always circles around sex, the group sex, the anonymous sex, the dating APPs, the the hook up APPs, the grinders and everything. And if you ever see the people who write party with a capital t, you know that's a call saying hey, I party with crystal Meth and Tina sociologist have been studying the effects of chem sex on the gay community for a few years now. A two thousand and eighteen study published by HIV medicine reported that gay and bisexual men in London who engaged in Kem sacks were five times more likely to be newly diagnosed with HIV, nine times more likely to be diagnosed with Hepatitis C and four times more likely to be diagnosed with a sexually transmitted infection during a thirteen month follow up period. It isn't clear how many people are engaging in chem sex culture, but studies estimate it's around ten to twenty percent of...

...a given gay population. You know, when we surround ourselves with people who are doing what we're doing. We don't think what we're doing is bad, and so I thought it was totally normal behavior that everybody was having Kem sex. And the crazy thing is is that it's a small you know, it's this fraction of the gay community that is it's not everybody, and I just my mind was so warped into thinking that everybody was doing it because the people that I surrounded myself were all doing it. I know for a fact it's still very, very prevalent because I work in the field. I don't work in the field recovery, but I speak in the world of recovery and I sponsor a bunch of guys in recovery. And so absolutely crystal method still a huge, huge part of the gay community, as so is unsafe sex. When we come back how Brandon juggled working for Katla with his addiction neardeath experiences, HIV and bug chasing. When I was there at Ktla, we had makeup, you know, we had hair and makeup, and these hair and makeup people like I would show up after being on a bender for like forty eight hours and I would look like hell. I mean I had dark circles around my eyes, if they weren't already bloodshot. But these makeup artist, I mean, my God, they've seen everything, right. I mean actors and actresses just coming in high and wasted and they make you look like a million bucks. Brandon remembers another time when he had overdosed and fallen in a bathroom. He had a black eye, but he had to go to work. Well, fires, it is currently part of the reason why our air quality has just been so bad over the last few days. There was wildfires that were happening in southern California and my boss is at Ktla. They're like, do we got to send you to the fires? You might be gone for a couple days. And I had a total concussion and I told my photographer, I said listen, don't let me fall asleep. I had a falling accident and I was like so, I just brought my pillow, but just to lay down in the in the in our satellite truck in he looked at me like are you okay, like what's going on? But like yeah, that's the high functionality, because here's the thing. I told myself this. So as long as I still had a job, I wasn't a drug addict. So as long as I still had a paycheck, in a car and a house to sleep in, I wasn't a drug addict. And so that's the trick that high functioning addicts will always use as a defense of their drug using. They will always say, yeah, but I have a job, I have a great job, I've got a great car, I've got a great family, I have all these things. I haven't lost anything. Brandon was able to convince himself that he hadn't lost anything for a while. He thought of his lifestyle as embodying the classic belief that if you work hard, you should play hard. No, that's a false belief, because if...

...you live your life like that, work hard, play hard, eventually that play hard will wipe out all of that hard work that you've done in your life. Like there's no way to sustain that. And so I was so high functioning that none of my bosses at Ktla knew that I was a drug addict, none of them. Yet I came to work off of benders and I would come come into work after a drug overdose. I mean hell, I used to get high in the parking lot at Ktla. After the newscast was done and I would do a dose of g in the Parking Lot, knowing I had fifteen minutes to make it to the bathhouse before the drugs would kick in. Bug Chasing is a big part of your book, which actually, when I got to that part in the book, it I don't know why it surprised me, but it did. I describe it as the the ugly underbelly of the gay community. It's something that happens but is never spoken of. I was a bug chaser. If you've never heard the term, a bugchaser is someone who seeks out HIV positive men and wants to be Sarah converted through unprotected sex. This is what a bugchaser is. A bugchaser is somebody who wants to get HIV. This is somebody who wants to be converted at a conversion party. Is what I went to in Palm Springs, and they would have these pause parties and so their sex parties, and these are all guys who are positive, HIV positive, and they will convert somebody who's negative. And so you're going to ask me will how do you even find these people? Easy, just go online on any APP so if you go on scruff or you go on grinder, there is a tab on it and it says Chaser, and so some people will just look at that and go oh, that means they're a Chubby Chaser, and I'm like, okay, no, that's not at all what it is. And yes, that's what they want you to believe it is, but if you actually hit that tab that you're a chaser in the description of who you are. I did it in my book to show my editor, book editor, because he didn't believe me. He had never heard of it, and he's also a straight man. And so I uploaded scruff to my account and I hit chaser. Within about thirty minutes I had two invitations from guys who are HIV positive and their message to me was, Hey, do you want to be converted tonight? And so there are a group of guys out there who are HIV positive who actually get off on getting people positive. And then people ask, well, why the hell would you ever want HIV? And it's really simple. I know it's very dark and twisted, but it's a very simple answer. When I would go to these sex parties a lot of times in Hollywood or even palm spring, which used to be my devil's playground, is that after a wild weekend of uninhibited sex, unprotected sex, then I would sober up and realize what I had done for three days and I would immediately go into panic...

...mode and I would go get tested and there would be days of panic being like, Oh my God, is this the time where I got HIV? Is this the time where I got it? So I was like screw it, screw that. I was like, just give me HIV and then I can go have all the wild and crazy sex that I can have and all the crazy sex that I desire, without the fear of actually getting HIV, because I would already have it. During this time, Brandon visited the LGBT center in West Hollywood and spoke to a mental health counselor the counselor asked him, why are you so angry? And I'm like, I'm not angry. He goes, why are you so angry? And he repeated that question to me over and over again, and he asked me again and he goes, don't answer. He goes, let me tell you why you are so angry. He goes, because people who go to palm springs and try to get HIV. Are Angry because people who love themselves would never do that to themselves. And he was. I credit him for being one of the first people that ever cut right through my BS, my bullshit. I he cut right through it and he was right. He was right. I obviously had a lot of self hatred as to who I was as a person at that time to want to inflict myself with HIV. Just talking you on Instagram a little bit just to figure out, like, who am I talking to? It did make me very sad because looking at you, I know because I'm in that community and in West Hollywood, I I'm I know. I'm sure how people perceived you was that you were kind of perfect, you know, and to know that someone like that on the inside was hurting that bad, it was really sad. Did at the time, I know you talked about like you're you know you're att to was kind of like, screw it, I'm just going to get it and then I won't worry about it anymore. Were you afraid of Sarah converting at that time or like when you would go get testing, like am I going to get it? Were you afraid or excited, like does that did it scare you? When I went to the LGBT center in West Hollywood after my last bender, I remember this conversation with the doctor. I looked at the doctor and he was testing me for HIV, and I looked at him and I said, doctor, this test is going to come back positive, and he goes are why are you so sure? And I told him everything that I had done and he concurred. He goes okay, he goes, well, listen, we're going to have a counselor on hand for you to talk to you and help you with some resources, because I knew that it was going to come back positive. And I looked at him and I said this. I said, but doctor, when that test comes back positive, I need help, I said, because that is going to be a green light to me to kill myself. And by that I meant when that test comes back positive, I don't want to go back to palm springs and use crystal meth again because I'll die and I knew that crystal Meth at that point in my life was going to lead me to my...

...death. So I just remember telling the doctor that test is going to come back positive. But doctor, when it does, I need to get help, because I don't want that to be the green light for me to go live this crazy sex life that I've been living and kill myself. So there was a psychological shift that happened after that last overdose coming out of that coma that I just didn't want to live that way anymore. And I know a lot of your listeners are going to wonder a well, is he positive? And the answer is no, I'm not, and it's baffling to me and I actually have had to deal with what I call survivors guilt in many ways and that I've told my therapist. I've had a couple of friends, including a boyfriend. I dated a guy who is HIV positive for a couple of years and I remember my boyfriend at the time, who was positive, had unprotected sex a handful of times and he got HIV. And here I was being so reckless with my body, being so reckless with my life, I mean having sex with at least fifty guys a weekend at these sex parties and I didn't get it. But what I want to tell people is that, like, I don't feel like special. I it was really hard for me to understand as to why I didn't get it because I had done everything. I had done everything to get it, and so it's it's really a disease of the mind and a disease of the way we think, and it really was just me, as you said, it's like I just didn't love myself. I just wasn't proud of myself and that faccade of trying to portray that perfect life it was over and that she'll just started to crack and I just couldn't hold up that facade anymore. HIV and AIDS are very different now than the first reports in nineteen eighty one. Mortality rates rose steadily from nineteen eighty one until on thousand nine hundred and ninety five, but have dropped off significantly since then. Medications like prep are extremely affective in preventing the spread of HIV, and new treatments like antiretroviral therapy, also called AART, help people living with HIV lead longer, healthier lives when we come back imperfect methods of recovery, finding your purpose in life and surviving. For many people, dodging a...

...positive HIV diagnosis after engaging in risky sexual behaviors would be considered a miracle, but for Brandon it would take more than a miracle to set him on a path to recovery. He was back in the hospital after overdosing again and they put me in this like they put me in my own room, and I was crying, like I had broken down. I was crying. I was just so sad and shameful and depressed, and this little nurse, you had to be five foot nothing, came over to my my bedside and she held my hand and she said, Brandon, do you believe in God? And I said no, I don't, and she goes, that's okay, because God still believes in you. We all make mistakes. I only have about ten dollars in my pocket and what I want to do is I want to give you these ten dollars and I want you to make me this promise that once you leave the hospital and you're released, I want you to take this ten dollars and take a cab and go to my church down the street off Melrose in Mansfield, and they had these little AA meetings there on Thursdays, and just make me this promise that you'll at least go. And so I made her that promise and I went and I went to that AA meeting and the crazy part about it is I've been sober ever since that day, February twenty two, two thousand and ten, and by the grace of my higher power, I had never ever relapsed. And that is a big part of my story. Is I want people out there to know that relapse does not have to be part of your story and that there is a ton of relapse with heroin and Crystal Meth Addiction. But I was able to do it and I've never relapsed and I want people to know that relapse absolutely does not need to be part of your story. So in the book you talk a little bit about prep in particular. So a question I had for you. As you know, back then, Sarah converting was not a real you know, scare for you. Does it scare you now? Oh yeah, I mean like I am so of love shape and mind of my body, like when I tell people I love myself. I know that that sounds very egotistical and very arrogant, but because we're right, we're taught as society as a young child, no, we can't tell people we love ourselves like that's terrible to say, but no, it's actually a very positive thing to say, and that I really do love the man I am today. I really do. I love the person I am today. I love that I'm living a clean and sober life. I love that I get to travel the country and speak to people. I love that I get to have an impact on people's lives. Like I really love the man I am today, and I am on prep. I don't want HIV, I don't want to put poison into my...

...body. I don't want crystal method my body, I don't like GHB in my body. The thing that keeps me sober is not going to a bunch of AA meetings. No, has nothing to do with it. What keeps me sober is my spiritual connection to my higher power, and so as long as that's that connection is very strong. So as long as I continue to love and care about myself. If we love and care about ourselves, we won't harm ourselves. And it really is as simple as that. Drug use is nothing but an escape. It is no different than somebody in your office today WHO's having a really shitty day at work. And what do they say? I can't wait to go home and have a drink. Right. So, drug use and alcoholism. It's nothing but an escape from something that's gone on in your life. And for those people I challenge them to say, no, there's nothing wrong with my life, I just like to use recreational drugs. What I will suffice to say is no. If we really go into your brain and we really go into your history, I guarantee you that there is some sort of trauma that has happened, because I used to tell people this. Coming out was so easy for me. I didn't have any trauma. Everybody loved it. You know I didn't have any that is like the biggest line of bs that I could have ever sold. And when I'm being very truthful about it, it was very hard for me to come out. I was an athlete. I played soccer overseas in Europe for a time in high school and I couldn't be gay and it was very traumatic and I was bullied, and so all of that, even being bullied, is a form of ETSD, and so if that is not treated and if we don't confront that trauma and we don't fix it, it will come out sideways. And so I am a huge believer that drug addiction is absolutely tied to pass trauma. Brandon had been clean for sixty days and got a sponsor when he moved to Atlanta, Georgia. He was a straight guy and he was I we always called them a Nazi sponsor and it was basic. I had to call him every single day and that was tough for me because I didn't want to be accountable to that, but he made me accountable, so I had to call him every single day. He also made a rule that I couldn't have sex for an entire year, right because he was like no, your drug use in your sex use or so intertwined. We have to unwind them so that you can eventually have sober sex without the connection to the drugs, which, when you think about it, that makes absolute sense. So I actually couldn't even function for the first six months of recovery because all of my sex use had been tied to my drug use. So when I got sober the first six months, like my boy, I couldn't even get I couldn't even get hard, like I couldn't function. That's how connected sex and drugs were to me. So that really wasn't a hard time. But then he said no porn and I was definitely a porn addict and he asked me. He goes like what are they doing in this porn you know, and he's a straight guy and I'm like he guys. I'm like gets pretty hardcore and he goes, are they using drugs? And I'm like, Oh, they're definitely high, and he goes it. So essentially your brainwashing yourself into only...

...being able to get off by watching guys who are high, and I was like wow, that was kind of an epiphany for me. And he goes, every day for fifteen minutes you're watching porn, these guys are high on crystal Meth, and basically what you're training yourself and your mind to do is to only be able to get off when somebody's messed up or fucked up on drugs. So I had no porn for an entire year and what that really did was help me rewire my brain. It really did. It just helped me rewire my brain because they always promised me that sober sex will be the best sex you ever had, and I'm like that's impossible because I had amazing sex high on drugs, and the reality is is that sober sex is amazing. You're so in tune you feel everything. You're like you're connected. Brandon has been sober now for almost a decade, but that first year of recovery was a lot of trial and error. I've tried to do it my own way for so long, you know. There were so many times the last thing I wanted to do was to go to a bunch of sobriety meetings. So I tried to quit on my own. You know. I was like okay, Brandon, like you can only party once a month, you know, and I tried control drinking, I can tried control drug use, but it would never last because the moment I started to feel good, I was like I feel great, so let's go party this weekend. So that first year was tough, you know, I didn't have an a pink cloud. It was hard, but with the help of a brandon discovered his faith and found his higher power, and it was just these little Aha moments along the way that I knew that there was some higher purpose for me in this world, that I should be dead ten times over, but I'm still here and I finally have come to the realization that my higher power obviously kept me alive, not so I could be some news anchor making a solid paycheck, you know, and take a bunch of vacations that I truly believe that my higher power saved me from death ten times over to help save other people. And that is my purpose in life, and that's simply to share my story openly and honestly and being authentic about it and not being scared or shy, you know, to let all of my dirty closet in the skeletons of my causet exposed. It's to help people. Even though Brandon is no longer a member of a a, he says he's grateful for the help and support they gave him when he was on his path to sobriety. But as he stepped into an advocacy role, he realized that he didn't want to remain anonymous. But I'm forging a new path of my own recovery and sobriety to be able to speak openly about it. I had a lot of pushback from people in the rooms when I wrote my book and I went and I spoke publicly on CNN and MSNBC and, you know, they accused me of violating a lot of the traditions of alcoholics anonymous about speaking to the median. Speaking a podcasts like...

...yours, I'm not allowed to say AA and alcoholics anonymous if I were a member, and so I decided to respect their traditions by no longer being a member on but it also goes to say that there are so many ways to get and stay sober, but it always comes down to your faith and your spiritual in that connection to your higher power, and that higher power does not have to be God. At that higher power can see you know if you're somebody new to recovery or you're out there and you're using and you're listening to this podcast. I mean you can make me your higher power, somebody who just is showing you the light, you know, showing you that there is hope out there and cling onto it, grasp onto it, hold onto that could be a freaking door handle, it could be anything, just admitting and humbling yourself to saying that there is something out there that is greater than me and that's really what it is. And I found that through the written work, by riding out all of my neardeath experiences to where my sponsor in a looked at me and he's like, Damn, dude, don't you believe now like you should be dead, and I that's one of the Aha moments that I had. Other experiences and AA that pushed him further away from the community had to do with loyalty between sponsor and spawnse. I had a guy asked me to be his sponsor and in one of our first meetings he told me that he had a dark secret he needed to share with me, and so he did, and he told me that he was having sex with his girlfriends seven year old daughter. And I asked him when the last time that that had happened and he said it was last night and I'm sorry, I actually I'm not sorry. I'm unapologetic about it. I told him I would be right back. I just needed to go and make a quick phone call and I called the cops and I called police. If I know that a child is being harmed or hurt, my obligation is to that child, it is not to the guy in the recovery rooms. And there were a lot of people who shunned me in alcoholics anonymous and told me that what I did was wrong. They told me that when somebody shares with me something, it's in confidential you know, it's confidential, it's in confidentiality, and my response to them is, are you kidding me? If I didn't go to the COPS, I would be a CO conspirator, like I would be also held responsible. And how could I sleep at night knowing that an innocent seven year old girl is being raped like that? Is Insane to me. Throughout the nine years the Brandon spent an AA, he had four different men who were sexually abusing children choose him as a sponsor and I finally was like I can't do this, like I cannot do this. And the crazy part to me was, why are you coming to me? I am a victim of child abuse. I was molested as a child repeatedly. I just couldn't get over the fact, like, why would they come to me for sympathy or for help?...

One of the men who had approached Brandon ended up going to prison for child molestation. The man's parents approached Brandon at a book signing and asked him if he would be willing to reach out to their son in prison, and his parents were like, will you call him? He wants to talk to you, and I told them absolutely not, absolutely not, just because he's in recovery and I'm in recovery. Doesn't mean I'm gonna have a conversation with your son who's a gould, you know, who's an admitted child sex offender. You know, and you know. I had to draw the lines somewhere and that really rubbed me the wrong way. So many people coming to me telling me that I was wrong for going to the cops, and I will do I will, I would do that ten times over. At the end of the day, Brandon's loyalty is summed up by his award winning journalism. First, his responsibility is to victims of sex abuse and second to the victims of drug abuse. Brandon published his Memoir Mascara boy, in June of this year. He made the decision to leave nothing out when he wrote the book, hoping that he could relieve some of the stigma associated with drug addiction, sex addiction and recovery. Although his past has very dark moments, his story is inspiring and his book is a must read. I just know that there's a lot of guys who are out there and they're hurting, they feel alone, they feel sad, they feel depress best and they're trying to put on that outward smile and I just want them to know that, dude, I've been in your shoes. I know what it's like to be in that circuit world of drugs and sex and just know that if you want out that there's people out there to help you get out of it. Stay up to date with him on social media. The DOT branded Dot Lee. That's my handle on instagram. Best Way to get ahold of me. Just shoot me a message there or I'm on facebook. Just look up Brandon Lee and you will see two things populate. One is Bruce Lee Soun. That is not me, tragically he's passed on, but I'm usually the second one that populates. If you just look up Brandon Ly. You can see some of Brandon's art at Graffiti paintercom and you can learn more about his recovery and advocacy work, as well as resources for help, at his website escaping rock bottomcom. You can also find local AA meetings at www dot aa dot org. Pride is a production of Straw up media. If you like the show, leave us...

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