Crooked AF With Brandi Glanville

Episode · 3 years ago

Crooked AF With Brandi Glanville


Brandi Glanville is good TV and she’s also crooked AF. Let’s talk about Housewives, The Apprentice, friends, family and give a little history lesson on American gay rights.  Be sure to follow Brandi on IG and listen to her podcast, Brandi Glanville Unfiltered! Your host is Levi Chambers, co-founder of Gayety. Follow the show and keep up with the conversation @Pride. Want more great shows from Straw Hut Media? Check out or website at Your producers are Levi Chambers, Maggie Boles, Ryan Tillotson and Edited by Sebastian Alcala Have an interesting LGBTQ+ story to share? We might feature U! Email us at *This podcast is not affiliated with Pride Media. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

Straw hut media. Brandy glenville defies labels. We know her for her lack of filter, for her tendency to stir up trouble and for her commitment to telling it like it is, no matter the consequences. For some, reality TV is a guilty pleasure, for others it's a lifestyle. The real housewives media franchise started in Orange County and premiered on Bravo in two thousand and six by the time my guest today made her debut on season two of real housewives of Beverly Hills, five years later, there were already spinoffs in Atlanta, New York, New Jersey and DC. Brandy Glanville is good TV. I'm Leavi Chambers, and this is pride. Since her debut on the real housewives of Beverly Hills in two thousand and eleven, she's been busy. In addition to raising her two boys, Brandy's appeared on tons of other shows, big brother, the apprentice, famously single and my kitchen rules. She wrote to New York Times best selling books, hosts her own podcast, started a youtube channel and released her very own Chardonnay apply name unfiltered blonde. This is Brandy Glenn, but you have a rainbow shirt on, for here we're queer. Let's talk about it. I love that today I sit down with real housewife Brandy Glanville and we have a conversation about her history in reality television and even dive into the history of pride. There are certain stereotypes that come with watching train wreck TV and a lot of the fans that brandy has met over the years are straight women and gay men. Yeah, you know, I don't understand why. I couldn't tell you why, but the most of our fans are at board housewives and women and gay men, and I there's a very few straight men, unless their rives force them to watch a show, that actually know anything about housewives. And I don't have an answer because I feel like I don't want to group everyone in and like make it like, oh, stereotype, all gay men love housewives, because I do have friends that think it's misogynist and horrible and it's not uplifting and they don't watch it. But it does seem like a lot of you know, they're at a huge gay audience and you know, for a big brother as well, which I did not know going in. But come me out, a lot of the fans for housewives were a crossed over. They're like big brothers, like such a gay phenomenon. I had no idea. I don't know why. Do you know why? I mean that's like a big I think a lot of reality shows in general, or like that style of shows, have larger gay audience as particularly, like you said, housewives and big brother. So when you started working in that, let's just say, like industry, where you surprised that there's a lot of game in also working in the that portion of the industry? I don't think that I was surprised. I grew up in a household where my mom had, you know, all of the gay teenagers living at our house that were kicked out of their homes. So I grew up in a very liberal household and it was just normal for me to be around gay men. It was just that was my normal. So I don't think for me it was odd, but once I got into it, I was like, Oh, it's something I definitely started to notice. I mean a lot of the producers, I mean one of the main producers my friend, and he's definitely straight because we made out before I was on house I like a long time ago did not get me the job. It's just putting that out there. Somebody said that, but it's just not true. Um, I don't know. I and for me it's kind of just my normal because that's how I grew up. We grew up in a very tough neighborhood,...

...very tough and where you didn't have a lot of money, and my parents were hippies kind of, and you know, my dad sold pot. We grew pop before it was legal. I sold pot at my high school. We were just progressive, I guess you could say. And my mom, I was in dance and gymnastics and I think because of that, like all my coaches were gay and it just my mom had the like she just helped everyone. My Mom, my best friend Kim, her brother Joseph was gay and his parents kicked him out of the House and so my mom moved him in and all of a sudden we had like four gay men living with us because they weren't accepted by their parents, and it made I feel like it made me who I am a little bit today, because my kids are like like that's just that they have gay friends at school. I think that's great because back in the day we no one could say they were gay because God forbid that you would get beaten up in our neighborhood. It was it was scary. While growing up, brandy spent her time in dance, gymnastics and later modeling. She says that one of her gymnastics coaches, Clark Jennings, helped her find the confidence to be herself. He always told me that. He's like, you're a star, you have to just be you. So for my gymnastics routine, like on the floor, I decided I wanted Elton John's funeral for a friend and flight of the bump will be. I wanted to like I wanted to show that it was hyper, hyper, and then also like that, like there's two sides to me, because I don't identify as a straight woman. I've had relationships with women and it's I don't even identify. I don't know. I hate putting label on it, like there's so many labels out there and I don't want to be a label. I'm just me. So it sounds like you just came out as not straight. I've come out. I've said it a million times. I have. I'm not straight. I'm crooked as fuck. Drama is the fuel that drives everything in reality TV. Fans of shows like real housewives love drama, even if they don't want to get personally involved. Well, there's definitely a level of like fabulousness to the housewives, to all of all of them. Well, I mean I feel like in a way some of the shows are getting a little bit toxic, a little bit to listen, I don't want to ruin lives, I just I want to watch people get in fighting through a wine like. I don't want to say someone's, you know, got issues here and there. I mean, don't get me wrong, I have done that when I was under attack and I was lashing out and saying something back during my first season, and I have regrets about that. But now I just feel like, let's not go so deep. I mean, we don't need to ruin lives here. It's a it's a show that is train wreck TV, but there's children and stuff involved that here, all of these things and it's just not okay. Right. So then there's like a level where it's like the wine thing and that's enough. You don't have a good yes, I mean I feel like so Yolanda foster and I, while she's putty it's are not buster anywhere. We had this thing we called the vault and we knew things about other house eyes that we would never say. We promised to never talk about it and it was only brought up one time by Yolanda to Kryle and she's like, you know, I have a lot of things in the vault, and her and I we had like we had life ruining shit that we knew that we would never say, and that's ultimately possibly why we weren't asked back. It's just not enough drama. I mean, I feel like there's enough drama. I'm not going to ruin your life, you know, I'm not here to do that. I would never be able to live with myself. So you know, there is there are people that you know won't go that far, and then there are people that just are toxic,...

...which is a shame, right, because you're these women who are powerful and very, you know, privileged in that way and you have a lot of influence. Right, we're supposed to bring each other up. I mean, yes, there's always drama with girls. I fight with my girlfriends all the time and but like we fight, but that's a relationship and we make up. You know, that's what you're supposed to do, because I care about them. And watching the shows like it's hard because I don't know that there are genuine relationships. So there aren't consequences and people just go low because they're just selfinvolved. No give a fuck about anywhere else, right, but you have I all in it. You're just like I'm not going. Oh No, I'm not, like I've been there, you know, I did that once and I'm I don't want to do it anymore. I think that's a good place to be, though, when you just realize like it's not worth it. No, I have kids now that that that are I mean I've always had kids, obviously for sixteen years, but Um, now it would affect them like it is affecting, let's say, Kelly Dodd's daughter. It would hurt them, you know, and they're at school and they could be teased about certain things and that's just not something I'm willing to do to my children, or to like anyone's, anyone know, anyone. Yeah, right, are not. I'm not here to ruin your marriage, I'm not here to say horrible things about you. That get back to your kids and get them, you know, embarrassed by you. You know you want your kids to love you and be excited that you're their mom. Yeah, I don't know, it's just it's a I think it's a balancing act that a lot of people can do and there are some people that just can't. When we were getting ready to talk, Brandy told me about one of her best friends, Mia, MIA lives in Florida and recently came out as transgender. I met MIA through a girlfriend and he was married. She was married at the time for thirteen years to a horrible person, and we just fell in love. That's a truth. We were we it's like it was like magic. I can't explain it. I had an instant best friend and I trusted her and everything and she she took care of me emotionally and I went off to do celebrity apprentice with our president and she knew get into that and, yeah, she knew that. I was scared to death because I didn't think of myself as that businessminded person and I was just doubting myself and she was like, I'm going with you, and I think she was also escaping the fact that her husband at the time was cheating on her with everyone and we just, I think it's been like eight years now, we're just we are in love, like she is my Sol mate in a weird way. But unfortunately for her, she lives in a conservative town in Florida. It's Delray beach and it's a lot of older people and you know, she realized while she was living with me in La that she always knew she when she was a woman and a man's body. So she decided one day to tell me and then I told the kids and we're like yeah, let's have a party. But now, you know, she's back in Florida and the struggle is that she can't be her true self, she can't go out with you know, her makeup and all of the things that she wants to do because of the judgment there. And also, you know, she wants to get some plastic surgery, like FEM FEM and what do you call it, like a facial feminization, exactly that kind of thing, which is super expensive and she can't afford it. and any doctors out there that want to help help you know, I feel like it's important if you look in the mirror and you don't see who you think you you should see, and I wish she could be here in La with me, but you know, she's got obligations there and she has a Sala on there and I just feel like it's hard for...

...her kind of hiding, not being able to be authentic. Back in two thousand and fifteen, when Brandy was on the celebrity apprentice, she took mea with her. She is an amazing hair stylist. Okay, yeah, so did a lot of your work when you're on camera. Are those sorts of things? She it for the apprentice. She did. I got her hired because she was just there with me and I'm like, you know, what can I you know everyone else had hair and makeup that they hired. I never I don't really ask for things. I would. I wish I would, but I did ask if she could get paid to do that, and so she was with me, like with me on set that whole time, which is if I didn't have her, I had like my first panic attack during that time and if I didn't have her, I would I don't know what. It's horrible. Remember who used to host that show back before he infiltrated the White House. Um, as far as so, as far as Mr Trump goes, we he was. We didn't have any like horrible interaction on wors, like was he horrible? He wasn't horrible and I wish I could say that he was kind of the one thing he did say to me, which is off, I thought a little inappropriate, is that I should never wear read the stick, which I am wearing today. So you can suck it, not you D T. So I that's the only every other interaction that I had with him was fine and I used it was off camera, but when the cameras came on and he definitely turned into a different person and I feel like that's kind of who we're seeing at these rallies and, you know, at these debates, is a version of himself which is he's turned on, you know, not like sexually, but well, maybe maybe he does get off that, I don't know, but I don't know that that's his true authentics off. I don't know that he knows who that is, but my experiences he was kind off camera and then on camera he turned to someone else. But I mean I've Yun's like what was it horrible? It just wasn't. You know just was it was. It was just fine and Ivanka is lovely. The kids were Nice. I mean, I'm not going to love it that time they worked kids. They were younger, they were they were in the boardroom with them, they were still I mean they were married. Okay, yeah, so they weren't actually kids. It wasn't that long ago when they were just lovely, inarticulate and everything. You would think you would want your how you want your kids to act. Yes, do I no more about them now that I don't agree with? Of course I do, but just my personal experience wasn't right, think, but you had me on their time, I did. If I didn't have me, I I don't know what I would have done. It was yeah, it was a very it was probably the hardest show that I've ever done. Really, yes, even with all the wine in the face, and I author wine anytime. Girl. I know. It's because, like there's this pressure to ask all of these people that in your life for money and you have to ask them like right now and that you need it right now. So I'm cold calling all of my friends going can you give me five grand? Can You? I mean it's the most uncomfortable thing ever, I don't ask anyone for anything ever. So then to ask them and, by the way, can you wire it right now? The second yes, the second. So it was very stressful and if you didn't get enough money in, you were called out, you know on TV, and you were like Oh, the leat you got the least amount of money in, and it was just so stressful. So when the money comes in, I don't actually remember how celebrity apprentice worked. When the money what would happen? So like, this is shady ass. Okay, this is what I think. So well, I know this. So so don't think. No. So, so, whoever wins at the end, like the end of like you're you know, there's different teams at the end of the challenge. You know you have to get all of your money in it. It goes into this trust, the safe, which obviously is getting interest, like it's sitting there for a long...

...time and there's a lot of interest because it's not going straight to charity. It's going into a bank account and then once the person wins, then they'll figure out to get it to charity. But they're let me, we writ I alone on one I rest over two hundred fiftyzero and like that sit ins the one person. There's like twenty of us. So there's a lot of millions of dollars sitting making money until the end of this show. And I'm like, I actually asked them in the producers I got. I want to know where the interest from all this money goes. Do you guys give it to charity? And it was like she's she shook her head and started laugh and she's like Brandy downt and so I'm curious. Where's it go? I would like to know. And how much did they make? And I mean I guess they have to pay for the show. Sonhow I mean it just seems like, yeah, it seems a little weird for me. It was, I don't know, it was just a whole bizarre thing that everywhere and I feel like everyone was thinking it. No one would say it at first. I'm the a hole that would say it and it was like, and now I'm saying it again. Just curious, really, I really am, because they hold on to that money until like the end of the show when somebody wins, and if it's two million dollars, it's some serious interest. Yes, you're talking about at least I had, but if you're one percent's out, a hundred hundred, a hundred thousand will have to do them. Yeah, I'm blondish, so it's not I'm pretty good atmouth. But now, when we come back, we will give brandy a crash course on the history of the lgbtq plus movement here in the United States. Welcome back to my conversation with Brandy Glanville, New York Times best selling author and reality television personality. Brandy is a big supporter of love, though you would never know based on her reputation, and doesn't understand why we all can't just love whomever we want. While talking, I was surprised to find out she wasn't familiar with the history of the lgbtq rights movement. When we talk about the movement here in the US, we usually start in one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine, with the stone wall riots in New York City. At the time, not only was homosexuality illegal, you could also be arrested for wearing gender nonconforming clothing. If you were a man, you could be arrested for dressing in drag. Women could face the same penalty for not dressing feminine enough. People from the time refer to these laws as the three article rule, meaning police could arrest you if you weren't wearing at least three articles of clothing that reflected your legally assigned gender. So called masquerade laws came about in the mid nineteen century and made their way across the country for the next one hundred years, the last one being signed into law in one thousand nine hundred and sixty six in San Diego. Laws like these gave the police free reign to harass queer people on the street, and that harassment had gone on and on for far too long. I feel like it goes on a little bit still today. It depends. I think La is progressive. I think in other states they still have a lot of issues. Definitely to worker. Yeah, and they sometimes they're working forward and sometimes they're going back and then and sometimes they're going forward and going back at sad change us for yeah, three steps, facts exactly. It's difficult that yes, in the early morning hours of June twenty eight, one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine, police rated the stonewall in in Greenwich Village, Manhattan, while two hundred patrons were inside raids on establishments that served lgbtq plus people like this were commonplace at the time. People were physically checked by police officers before being arrested for cross dressing, but this night things went differently, as the police beat a queer woman with a baton and dragged her to a police fan. A crowd gathered and mayhem broke out. The riots lasted for days and acted as a catalyst for organizing the LGBTQ community in the years to come. Well, this is very I write. I'm learning a lot. Five months after stonewall, activist proposed a march to be held the last week in June every year, with no restrictions on dress or age, to commemorate the riots. One of the committee members, Craig shoonmaker, suggested pride as the name for the movement. So he did.

...shootmaker did an interview, I want to say it was in like mm two thousand and fifteen, where he said people did not have power then. Even now we only have some, which really leads into what you were just saying. Right, we have a long way to go. But he added, but anyone can have pride in themselves and that would make them happier. As people and produce the movement likely to produce change, which is a really great, great quote, because what it means is anyone can take pride in themselves and create change, as they should. But I feel like, unfortunately, there are conservative people around, like with me at like we talked about she she's frightened to live her trueself right and be prideful for who she really is. Yeah, and so, and it's you know, it's not that she's not a shame, she just it's hard because the people around her are so conservative. Right. So, I mean it's like, yes, it's easy to say have pride, you know, but it's hard to do. But don't get punched. No, God, no, right, like have God, just don't get beat up. Oh, no, God, no, like. I hope for my kids, and I know for my kids, like they are so used to me being, you know, dress as a woman in a wig and sometimes she's not, and they have friends that are gay at school and that's the world that I kind of grew up in. But I also grew up in my friend Joseph getting beaten up because he was gay with like a baseball bat, not just beaten up, like punched, out like he was. It was horrible, and so I feel like we are, we're getting there, like, you know, my kids are, you know, you're at school, and everyone can say we're getting there. We have a long ways to go, though. Yeah, no, I agree, as sad as that is right, you feel like it was Maryor's marriage. Quality was only a few years ago and that felt like yes, this is it right, and then it's like oh no, no, go backtly. And you know what, as long as we're forging for as long as we're trying to get there, and I think the conversation is you know, it's definitely making the rounds. People were talking about it now. We weren't talking about it then because you couldn't, because then you would be shamed. Yeah, and you know, I can have those conversations with my kids and and thank God, I'm just I'm so happy that I'm raising children in this time where it is we you can say whatever you want. I'm like, you know, and you know, when they were a little like, I don't know, from Gara Straight, I'm like, cool, I don't know either, but that was that whole conversations twelve and sixteen. Now, okay, yeah, up and so it's you know, those are conversations we had went like from Gosh, they were like for you know, just because I, you know, I after my split, I really only had gay men around me because they were like they're my best friends and they became a kind of like father figures as to my kids on my time. So, you know, it's just not it's just their norm and I feel like I feel blessed for that. I just wish that would happen all over in one thousand nine hundred and sixty six. Two years before the stonewall riots, a guy named Steve Ginsberg founded a radical gay rights political organization right here in Los Angeles. He called the group pride, an acronym that stood for personal rights in defense and education. Later that same year, during a New Year's party at the black cat tavern in silver lake, undercover police snuck into the bar and started beating and arresting patrons for kissing as they rang in the new year. The Pride Organization responded to that incident with the publication of a pamphlet, also called pride. The pride pamphlet later became the advocate. I've learned a lot, like I, you did and I'm not going to be that person who comes like I know everything on this and this and this. I I didn't know a lot about that, about done Straw, and yeah, I know it's true and I don't think I would have just looked it up by myself just because my life was just like we're all gay. It's great. So I feel like it is important too. I'm you know, I'm getting...

...share that with my kids. Amazing. Well, yeah, listen to this episode. They can get well, yeah, Oh, I'm gonna be like, let's segment out this little piece for you to listen to. They know I've had relationship with them and it's we've talked about it. So it's not that I feel like I don't know. I you, just I feel like it just keep them young and sweetly as possible away for me. No, I'm already crupting them as it is. I don't know. I feel like I don't know that. They like they haven't read the book, and we did book. Yeah, because we talked about their dad and like I don't just like thank you. Yeah, I just don't think it's I don't talk about any of that with them. Yeah, well, they're sixteen and twelve. Oh yeah, we they know what happened. Sure, they don't need to. I don't need to go into detail. They're very aware of what happened. So we've had discussions, but I don't need to talk about the Chardonay and the this and that. That right, they don't need the list for the closet with the wine. NOPE, yeah, I liked it in there. Just talk about the sunglasses and the allergies. Oh my gosh, for sure. Remember when mom had allergies all the time, for later in the day, at all times, even at night in the house. She didn't leave her room too. Allergies were that bad. Yeah, it was like cotton from her best friend. So thank you very much for joining us today. Thank you for having me. This is so fun. And where can everyone follow you? You can find me on twitter, instagram, facebook, just under Brandy Glamville. I do have a new youtube station that is called Brandy Glanville official drinking and tweeting, because we can't get the official taken off right now because somebody else has it or something stupid. Also, get my books drinking and tweeting and drinking and dating and yeah, let's see. You certain awesome thank you. Thanks for listening. Pride is a production of Straw hut media. If you like the show, leave us a rating and a review on Apple, podcast, spotify or wherever you're tuning in from. Share us with your friends, subscribe and follow us on Instagram, facebook and twitter at pride. Yep, it's at pride. That's simple. You can follow me, be by chambers. Pride is produced by me, be by chambers, Maggie goals and Ryan Tillotson, edited by Sebastian. I'll call it two worlds combine by but what.

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