Coming Out of the Shadows w/ Harvey Guillén
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Coming Out of the Shadows w/ Harvey Guillén

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Here at PRIDE, we have been feverishly following Guillermo and Nandor’s will-they-won’t-they relationship for the last four seasons of What We Do in the Shadows. So you can imagine how thrilled we were when Guillermo came out as gay in the latest epsiode. We're even more thrilled to have the iconic actor Harvey Guillén join us on today's episode to disucss his character Guillermo's journey to self-actualization over these past four seasons, and how the actor's queer, Mexican-American identity has imbued his character with a depth and authenticity that make Guillermo a true fan-favorite. We also discuss the new companion podcast to the TV show, Behind the Shadows, which Harvey hosts.

Your host is Levi Chambers, founder of Rainbo Media Co. You can follow Levi @levichambers across socials.

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Straw media. Harvey Gian. He's Queer, Mexican, plus size and all the things, as he puts it, that didn't have a place in Hollywood. Well, that's changing and he's a big part of that change. In the most recent episode of what we do in the shadows, Harvey's character, Guermo came out as gay, which was a huge moment for the show but also for fans. Although garmo is a fictional character, the parallels between his life and Harvey's run deep. In this episode you'll hear from Harvey about what diversity and inclusion means to him, as well as his commitment to authenticity on screen, from authentic casting to real Mexican Bunuelo's. Harvey talks about why diversity matters. I'm Levi Chambers, and this is pride. I'm really grateful that you are coming on the podcast again for this like bonus episode all about, Um, what we do in the shadows and Garmo and his coming out. So thank you very much for joining us for like again. Well, thanks for having me. Always Fun. I'd love to kind of just jump right in. I actually just listened to your episode Um with. I guess we're just gonna say GARAMO's mom, because it kind of works out that way. Listening to the episode and hearing your stories of how you two work together to create that relationship on screen and the relationship you have off screen, and I was hoping that you could tell me a little bit about that because there's this really amazing moment in your in your podcast, where you reference the letters and I just found that one. It's just so cute. I loved the part Um in Spanish where she says something like in my refrigerator door won't shut or something like that. I loved that. So if if you could just kind of take us through, like what exactly, why did she write these letters? I think it's it was her process, Marna and who plays my mom, and I think it's just a process of her. And she even told me afterwards. She said, I was hesitant to give them to you because,...

...you know, I don't know how you're going to receive them, because some actors might not you know, maybe like what is this? And it's like, Oh, I wrote you a letter in character and it's like why? You know, they could easily have brushed it off and I said that's so sweet. You know, I was like. That really does make me feel like, you know, we have a rapport that that we can utilize on the stage, you know. And so, Um, I read them and there they were in character and they were very sweet and and and I can see the back story that she had given Guianimo's mom and where she was coming from, which is nice because that's heart. You know, Um, her vision of what the of what their relationship is and how she's coming across to me, and what I'm presenting is my vision of a Guilledimo and his mother's relationship is. And so that's perfect because, you know, people are going to think what they think in their mind, and so in her mind everything is perfect and she's thinking her son for always stepping up to the plate and helping out and her version. You know, she she mentions that when I was younger, that both of my parents were sometimes ill and I needed to step up and help out with the responsibilities as an adult. So that kind of shows you a little bit of maybe where he are most like Um kind of nurturing or um kind of self made. Uh. You know, formula came from it came from necessity, it came from like a young version of guermo needing to kind of be self sufficient, and he's very self sufficient. Now and then kind of helps out the household and manages really much every everything that happens in the household with the vampires, because he's always been kind of a leader, without knowing it, without wanting to take the credit or anything, but he's very smart and very intuitive. And so RNA, you know, did that with the character and it was nice to just mesh those together and have an idea where she was coming from, because that's that's the backstory for Guenimo. How did this come to be? Because you, you and actually you and Werena. We've talked a lot in this episode about the...

...focus that you put in particular on wanting things to feel very authentic and very true, and you you reference like in Hollywood they could easily just cast someone who kind of looks like you and be like Oh, yeah, look, she looks just like your mom, that'll work, but you, you really wanted it to be authentic. So I'd love to know kind of how that, how that came to be. Is that a collaboration between you and it was? Yeah, I guess it was. I went to the writer's room and when I knew they were casting my mom, I went in there because I wanted to feel that it was going to be as authentic as possible, and they could have easily just cast, you know, Hollywood's go to Latin a actresses, Um, you know, which are all wonderful and great in their own way. UH, but they tend to categorize everyone who's Latino into Um, you know, let's find the parents, you know, whatever, Mexican or whatnot, and the actress could be Colombian or something. UH, they all speak Spanish, you know, and it's like it's very different. I what I would encourage Hollywood to like at least make an effort to like look for, you know, an actor and then if it falls under the same umbrella, under the same branch of the tree, then yes, of course, you know, as long as it is someone who is Latino. But start with the core of it, which was, you know, this was a Mexican mother. Uh. And so I remember going up to the writers and I was like, can we cast a Mexican actress? Um, and it doesn't have to be a name, you know, like like the one or two names that are known in Hollywood as Mexican actresses. Um, it could be someone new. I could be someone that this could be a great role and opportunity to to to kind of present someone that we might have been not, you know, introduced to before. Um, and and they agree. They're like yeah, we agree with that, and so they had casting and and Murnau was found and it was perfect and, uh, and just even it was so important to me to keep it authentic as possible, being that, you know, Um Thermo is the only person who's Latino in the asked in the show to kind of honor that and be really aware of...

...like how we present the culture and the language, even in the household, even having, you know, Um, they were in the scene. I helped write this one scene that happens with with Murna and a couple of seasons ago we first meet her and it's in her household and what the color palettes are in the and the decorations and even down to like what they would be cooking, which would be like it was wintertime and it was around the holidays and maybe that she's making. And when they wrote that in the script, uh, this you know the problem. Master um like looked it up online and Buenuelos are very you could be all kinds of there's like some Lteranian, there's Mexican. What are those exactly? That's something I was wondering. So Mexican Bunuelos are basically flower Tortilla that's been slightly fried, like in a pan on both sides to make it crispy, and then you liked drench it out or like padded down so you don't get any oil access oil on it, and then you put it over to like basically like it tastes like a tuld right color, but it's because it's a flat version of auld. You dip it into like cinnamon and sugar on both sides and you flip it, so it's a it's a really crunchy that's cinnamon and sugar all around. So when you break it, it's becomes like crispy pieces and you eat those and whatnot. So it has a pretty much pretty similar taste to Um Ros, but they're like a holiday treat. Um It's all the same stuff in a different I think, to being like it's all dough and fried and sugar and cinnamon, which is a holiday treat, but it's some other they make them different their balls, uh, and so they have the same name, different ingredient. And so when they arrive with buelows that day I was like what are these? But like the I was like these are not Mexican blows, and they're like, oh, they're not. I just google them, and I was like that's a problem with Google translate sometimes is that's not the right you...

...know, we're saying something or correct you know, recipe. So I said I'll just make them. So I asked if they ran down the street to store and got some came back and got some oil and I literally before the scenes started, I could some with willows and started cooking them because I could not live with myself knowing that in the background where these Bunolos. They were not authentic to a household, the Mexican household, and Uh, and people noticed it. People to this day be like I noticed the uniolos in the back and I was like that would have been so bad if somebody said those were not Mexican when you're especially if you're there to you know, kind of lead, I guess, the writing team, or lead the team in making sure that it's authentic. Like why wouldn't you? Yeah, I mean you have the you have the person's and the tools to do it. It's just like, you know, it's it's whenever I look at stuff with that on movies or or TV shows, it feels like laziness where it's like you're already there, you're already at the finish line. Why cut corners when it comes to the authenticity of the guard omits or the environment or the food or it's just you're already there, already. You know what I mean? You already you already won the lottery of like you get to make this. Why don't we make it and be as authentic as possible? Yeah, yeah, so did was that authenticity then, in constructing the storyline of garmo coming out? How did that play out behind the scenes? Well, it was kind of, you know, in a weird way. Um, it just reminded me, and it was triggering, of like my own personal coming out story coming from like a Mexican household and the reaction, Um, and the traditional, uh, you know households, that it's very tough. You know, it's I'm sure it's tough in a lot I know it is tough to come out in any household. Um, but in in the in the world that was created, where he's been working a live for thirteen years. He lied to his mom about his job, his housing, his title, his sexuality, and in all comes crumbling down. It all comes coming like the lies pile...

...on lies about having a girlfriend. That's all nausea, that's his girlfriend, who's also her has made. It's just like the lies keep piling and piling and at one point, aren't you tired? You know, aren't you tired of all that you carry on your back and and some I think, at that point, you know, he could have probably kept going, but the thing that made him completely given and use it as a buffer, coming out as a buffer, was that Naja's life was in danger. Like Naja's life, because we we figure out and realized that his family is a vamp, as a family of vampire hunters. There have been healsinges and they're all down to the grandma, who breaks a wooden like handle off the chair she's down and attacks Naja and they throw all these warden stakes at her. When he jumps in the middle of all that, between his his biological family and between his chosen family, he's put in the middle of both families and he's defending one because he loves both, and he's defending him and to buffer so things don't escalate, he blurs out his his his main truths, which are two things. You know, I live here, but it's not my house, and the reason I live here because I want to be a vampire one day, and she's not my girlfriend, because how could she? She's, you know, I'm gay. And like the idea that those are the two main things that he's been carrying that really mattered to him, the secret of becoming a vampire and the secret of his sexuality. And he and he completely, you know, let's that cat out of the bag, both cats at the same time, in hopes to to kind of, you know, Um, kind of hinder the stress that's happening and and and the pressure of his family that's about to completely annihilate nausea, you know, Um. And so it's a very sweet moment of coming out, but it was very emotional with different takes where it was the most, you know, for me to do it,...

...because I think the first time we did it was too close to home, like it was just like completely uh, you know, a reminder of my own personal experience and it was very emotional and very sad. Uh, and the and the Myrna who plays my mom, and the actors will play my family. We're all like in tears. Well, this is coming out, and then we organically hugged each other and they were like we love you and so we don't care as long as you're like all of this positive, uh, you know, affirmation, and it was just lovely. And then we have to remember you're also doing a comedy. So it's like, oh, she's gonna kill you. I'm not just gonna kill you know, because I stopped one family from trying to kill my chosen family. Naja is on her own now and she's seen my family and their vampire killers. She's gonna have to take manage to her hand. So then I bake her. So I begged my my biological family to please not kill Nata, and then I beg no, not to kill my biological family. Like I'm begging both my chosen and my biological families not to hurt each other, as you both mean so much to me, and I plead with nausea. And the only reason I think she does give in to it is because we spent a whole year in London together. We built some kind of connection and friendship that I plead and arguing with her and it's like fine, I'll spare your whole family, but you have to make sure that all the boys are out of the house once a month because I want to watch mama too. Here we go again. Aside from the vampire part, do you do you see similarities, or really just differences between your own queerness and your experience as a person and Garamos? Well, yeah, I feel like, Um, I came up pretty early. I don't want to early, because that was the thing that was really kind of my emboggling about the episode was that for so long, the four seasons that around the air, people have always hey is he and when is he gonna and it's like the expectations of someone we know that might be queer, the expectations of them to come out for our comfort, for someone else to them out. So we don't have to start keep asking that question...

...our heads or we don't have to keep thinking, uh, you know, otherwise it's none of your business. You know, it's none of your business when someone comes out. It's their choice and when the time is right it's right. Um. Nothing's worse than out in someone that that wasn't ready to come out yet, and nothing's worse than pressuring someone that isn't ready to come out yet. And so I really like that. than the difference I saw was that I wish you would have came to this sooner, because he's so much happier now. He's so it's just a way to be left, to have his shoulders and you see it in, you know, just a pep and his step uh, and I wish you would have had that pep sooner. But again, there's no like, you know, a book or or math or expiration date that tells you what the way to come out is or when it's supposed to happen. And for me personally, I came out, you know, when I was in high school, Um, and I was in my team. So it wasn't Um, it was when I felt throws right and and I I never looked back, you know. And for me I was like wow. So I keep comparing the difference to like Germo, who's been living in this house for thirteen years in the closet under the staircase, living under the staircase, Um, and not being his authentic self, but he's also learning that he's more than what he considers himself to be. Already, he's afraid to hold his own space. He doesn't know how how powerful he is in his own body, and for so long he was ashamed of his body. I feel like he wears from the sweaters, you know, he wears oversight sweaters and high collars and long sleeves, and now he's getting confident. He's wearing more fitted vest, rolled up sleeves, glove. He's a Badass. He has a healthy running through his veins. UH, he's great at combat. He's really learning the confidence that he hasn't just being and owning his own space as just who he is right now, without any special you know, without being a vampire, without what he thought was aspirational...

...living, which is being a vampire, because I think you want to be that for the reasons of well, then it will be. It'll make sense and I'm a vampire. I know that I'm gay, but it will make sense and that that will be a reason and no one could question because I could just, you know, destroy them. If they were attacked me, I would I would be I wouldn't be defenseless, I would have something to defend myself with, and so I think it was a defense mechanism that he wanted to use as a shield. To be gay, he needed to be a vampire, and now he realizes you don't need to feel you know that they need to be something else than what you are. You can be gay and not be a vampire and be just as powerful and just yourself, and so I really admire that part that he's learned Um for himself, but I also wish that you know, if he learned it sooner Um, what kind of adventures you would have had, but not not really that many, because he's been a familiar and so he probably would have been gay just living that the mansion. But the vampires for thirteen here. So you know, it's kind of like a catch twenty two. You know, sometimes I feel like the fans of what we do in the shadows have some of the best ideas, I suppose, for characters in terms of like fan thick and I was actually curious if you had seen any fan fi because I see on your instagram all the time you you will share things that people created about you or you know of you and Nandor. And I was wondering if you've ever been down a fan Fi rabbit hole, where as just you where you're on the Internet, where fans either ship those two characters, like, what is the most interesting idea that you've seen from fans? Honestly, I there's so much good fan art and a lot of it is homo erotic and a lot of it is, uh, them being together, shipping them, Nadermo as they call them, Um and it's very I I love it because this story lived on...

...in their, you know, imagination after the episodes, over the backstories, the possibilities, the aspirational stories, it all lives in their heads and their imagination and when they put it down to pen and paper, drawing or canvas or wood carvings that I've seen or dolls that have been made, or I mean going down the list of things that people if you something moved you so much that you went out and created a piece of art of it, I always called that art supporting art, where you know someone wrote our show, I got a script and inspired the artists to create a character to read the lines. This wait and then it's filmed and then someone sees the episode and that inspires them to pick up crocheane and they make a doll out of you. You know what I mean? It's like artists supporting artists, and so I'm roll about it. You know, it's like one thing, it's like a chain reaction, and so, yeah, I've seen tons of work. I wish I could share all of it. I think at this point people are probably frustrated that most of my stories are just fan art that I keep reposting that people tag me on. There's so much of it. There's just so much and I know that takes your time. I know that that takes a lot of time to create art and you know, someone could be very dismissive and be like thank you whenever you know, but it's like that took a lot of time. That meant a lot to you and I want to show you think so much for your time and for loving the show, because you know, we wouldn't be where we are with our fans. So thanks to all the fans who create their own fantasy Guillermo and then or the aermo world, and in that world anything is possible. So continue to do what you want. Has that hit you yet? Because kind of all the things that you just described. They really stem from something that I mean, I'm gonna say you created, because you created this Um ideation of the character that people love and they see something about themselves in it or they somehow relate to it. So has that hit you yet just how important and impactful your character is and the work that you do on the show and how impactful and how much it might help young, closeted people who are watching in the show,...

...because there's not as many characters who are like Giermo that are going to come out in such a very big way. So how does that feel? I mean, honestly, I feel like it hasn't hit me, and it does hit me sometimes, because I'm creating what I want someone to look at it and I'm creating something that I wish I would have seen when I was younger and and I and I stand behind Germo and I want to give him the best, you know, story, trajectory Um and also teach, you know, a memorable lesson to maybe someone who is not as open minded or as not um at a place where they think they could ever love or except a family member or a friend or someone who is queer and comes out to them to use comedy as a weapon to drop your guard and then to present you with something that it's like you love this person, you love Guillermo. Do you not love the person who comes out in front of you and says that they're gay by trance? Would you stop loving them? So I love that people. I love Gullanmo because, Um, that's a good reminder that if you were ever in the situation, how would you act and and and how would you lead? And hopefully we'll lead with empathy and acceptance. But it has hit me when I go to comic cons, when I do Um San Diego or different comic cons around the nation where there's a lot of people come up, especially they're Latine and Um, some might be not latine but they're queer, some not, might not be Latina or queer, but they're Um, you know, body positive. Uh. And so these are all different departments and when you get a character this checks off several of those which has never been done on television that does that, it's a huge thing. It's a huge thing because, you know, we just won the Hollywood Crek Association award a couple of days go and I did not expect to win. I...

...don't know why. Um I always saw the people who one knew they were winning ahead of time. So we were like we're not gonna win and we really didn't expect it. And we won best comedy and I was I was besides that. I was like I couldn't believe it. I went up there and I couldn't you know, and with with mark and Jana, our director, and and one the way up there, mark was like you talk and I was like went and I was like no, I didn't, and I was just like and I don't know what came over me, and I just, you know, set the speech that I said because at that moment I was like this you never see someone like me up here and you never see someone like me on TV and you never see a character like mine be recognized an award or anything. So this might be one, uh in a while, or it's the one of what hopefully is several and the next years to come. And so I just said what I felt and pretty much it was like well, this was for any Latino or any kid who's queer, size or feels that are not represented, that you are loved and you deserve to be loved and there's a place for you and to remember that and if anything, that gives any kind of hope are aspiration for better life in the future than to just stay with us and keep doing what you're doing and and it's going to get better. So I really pride myself and using this platform to advocate and spread that message for those those people who are out there that experienced it just like you just described it. How do you think a young harvey will say, a fourteen year old harvey? Um, what would he have thought seeing, well, in this case, himself literally, but seeing someone just like him in that episode, this specific episode? I would have lost my ship. I would have just lost much, I literally and I and then it's the thing that I and I since that, you know, has happened with the award and the show and the accolades that it's getting and recognition...

...it's getting. I've had those kids, you know, send me tweets, they send messages, they post on board like they say thank you, Harvey, for like it's like it's important and you can see into you're blue in the face, but representation does matter and it does matter and in fourteen year old me would have been beside myself, I would have I would have gone a second wind of like yes, it's possible, because for the longest time, even to my late teens, it wasn't possible for me to be in Hollywood. There was there was no mold for me. The molds that were existing were not fitted for me in every way, and all the checkmarks that were against me, that I was Mexican was a checkmard against me, that I was queer, it was Checkmar against you, that I was plus sized, with checkmark against me. There's no mold for me, and so seeing someone like me on TV would have told me, Oh, okay, there he is, he's doing it, he's leaving the door ajar just like that, and I here I come, wait for me, buddy. You know, I would have been like because that's what it is. If anything that I do is the possibility to leave the door a jar or slam it open for anyone coming behind me, then that's worth everything, because for so long those doors were locked and the keys were lost, you know, and they didn't seem like they were anywhere in sight. And so I've I've managed to crack a door open and I will keep pushing against it as so much as I can't uh, and I feel the support and weight of people who are behind me who pushed me to do this and do better. Uh. And and the you know community, you know, who have rallied and have been wonderful, and just the the acting community where, you know, we go to events and we have other actors and celebrities and you know, come up to you and say, I'm a big Fan of your wearing. I'm saying what, that's crazy, because I mean watching you my whole life, you know, and like so, yeah, I I will take it. I didn't sign up for it, but I will take it to be, you know, uh, kind of like a crusader of changing the way we see...

...people who are different than with the traditional Hollywood format has been. And that was something I've always wanted to do and I'm glad I get to do it, even down to like walking the carpet the other day, where I went an art det Goo, you know style old Hollywood, because you never saw people like me dressed like that and took pictures like that and walk the carpet like that. So I'm gonna do it. So I'm gonna reclaim old Hollywood. I'm new Hollywood, old Hollywood style. Look at you know where. I can take that and completely embrace it and be like, since we never saw ourselves in the twenties and thirties and some cool, you know, finger wave and a cool outfit and a black and white shoot, I'm gonna do it. So, even down to those things, those are the things that I think about. And there's the reason for all of it. I mean, at this point I don't think there's even the door anymore. You just kicked it completely off his hinges, because not only are you a crusader, you're literally this close to being like the caped crusader, because you are. I mean you're night wing your pretty though. You're on the beetle. You've done so many things. Your career is just on fire right now and you're doing so many great things for people, even if they can only hear your voice. I mean, I I watched Charlie Quinn and I loved your character. I think you did such a great job and it honestly excites me so much to think back to you pointing up for the podcast and at the time, I think you were on a show on SCI FI. I think that when we did the PODCAST. Just yeah, you're a magicians and you had just started what we do in the in the shadows, and I think it was like season one or two, so it was like earlier on. But to see all of the things that you're accomplishing, I get so excited for you. You're like one person I'm definitely cheering for to just keep going because it is so exciting. So thank you for for all of those things and for the characters you create, because I know I'm not alone in loving them. Um, and literally my entire team was so excited that I was talking to today. I talked to my little brother earlier and I was yea, I'm gonna talk to Harvd and he was like you mean Guaramo, and I was like, Yep, that's so cool. I love this. So I...

...think you, I don't even know if you realize how many people. Maybe you do, but a lot of people really love you and your work and the characters and the energy that you're bringing to it. So thank you for that, I'm sure, on behalf of everyone. I still have one more question for you, Um, too, but I'm gonna go with one. But seriously, thank you for everything. It must feel amazing to know that you're making such a huge impact. Well, it makes me. I mean it's yeah, it's just that you don't think about it every day because you're not doing it, you know, to get that title or actually, yeah, you feel like you're crusader, you know, and then you do the work and then it's like Oh man, that people are actually appreciating great, it's just a cherry on top and I really appreciate it. And tell your brother I said thank you, and tell everyone at work thank you. But yeah, sometimes it's kind of like it's an embarrassment of compliments, you know. That feels that, Um, I feel is nice to hear them, but at the same time it always feels like, you know, I guess it's a Mexican in me that's taught like it's like be humble and never, you know, take any compliment. But I do appreciate it, and I do and I thank you very much. Well, I meant it so um. So my last question is a little more more fun, but it's okay now that armos out of the closet. Um, what is he like? What is his I don't know. Is he on grinder? Is He, I don't know, tinder? What is? What is he looking for at this point in a boyfriend doesn't have to a vampire, does it not? I'm you know well, your thoughts. You gotta play through all that. He has. He's been dating someone and we're going to meet them. Uh. What the outcome of that, uh introduction to this world is is yet to be seen. Um, but he does and it's very sweet and I have to say I'm really excited for everyone to see that, because he was away for a year, you know, in London, and sometimes a little...

...self care trip or getaway or eat, pray, love of your own Um, it's good for you. It's really kind of reevaluates what's important to you and how short life is and, Um, what you want for yourself. And Dietimo has done all those things on in London and learn new fighting techniques. He discovered you need to be honest with himself, and he is and he's come out of the closet and along the way he's found someone to make him feel comfortable, to be open to love, which is already hard, I think, for anyone in general. But the idea of it, it's also very scary, terrifying to someone who's just come out of the closet, to how to maneuver through these waters, how to what is, nor what is. How do you know one? Because you didn't grow up, no one was talking to you here about you know, they were all like that's the girl I'm dating. I'm dating to the movies, and this is how you date. You know, it's Hetero normative, like dating. That was only always presented and how you date someone, and so you try to translate then too. Is How you date. Why are you gay? I'm sure. And he's learning and trying to do all the things that that has been told to us as romantic and sweet and UH and fun along the way. So we obviously have fun with it, but I don't know what to think about it. Maybe he wasn't dating someone. Um, I think even at the end, even though he's out of the closet, gearmo was a little especially right now, like the squirmish about meeting up with anyone, you know, like right now, I'd be like, unless he's back to say like there's like a lot of monkey pocks, there's covid there's a Gyarmo, you know. So you're saying GIARMO is concerned about monkey poks. And not into it then, not into it, into it, not into it, not right now. I think he's at an adventurous maybe later when there's not a fear of terror like that. You know he's getting backed for sure. He said, oh, he's got he's the first one on line. He'll show up. Yeah. So everyone, I do think, should listen to the...

...most recent episode, which I believe is episode seven. Correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, it's episode seven with Murna. It was I loved it. And they need to follow you and subscribe. Um, where can they follow you on social media and the PODCAST and subscribe to it and all of these things? Yeah, I can follow the podcast yet, behind the shadows on instagram. We have also on twitter, uh, and just wherever you hear a podcast behind the shadows. We have so many great guests. Um, so many guests coming up that we're excited to share with everyone. And you can follow me, Harvegian, on twitter or instagram. So just Harvegian. Amazing. Thank you so so much, Harvey, for taking time out of your really busy day to about this amazing moment in what we do in the shadows history and also in kind of television history. So thank you, true. Well, thank you for having me. Pride is a production of Straw hut media. If you like the show, leave us a reading and a review on Apple podcasts, spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Then follow us on Tiktok, instagram, facebook, twitter and snapchat at pride and tune in weekly for more. Be Sure to share this episode with your friends and subscribe for more stories from Amazing Queer people. If you'd like to connect with me, you can follow me everywhere at Levy Chambers. Pride is produced by me Levi Chambers, Frank Driscoll, Maggie Bowls, Ryan Tillottson and Brandon Marlow. Edited by Frank Driscoll and Daniel Ferrara.

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