ANTM Marvin Cortes On Being Bisexual and OnlyFans
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ANTM Marvin Cortes On Being Bisexual and OnlyFans

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Marvin Cortes was the runner-up on cycle 20 of the modeling competition show, “America’s Next Top Model.” He was always caught flirting with the girls competing on the show and even ended up in a short relationship with Renee Bog-wah-deen at the end of the season. Which is part of the reason why Marvin’s family never suspected that he was anything but straight. But last month, Marvin posted a video telling everyone that he’s bisexual and proud. Today, we catch up with Marvin and talk reality TV, coming out, homophobia, and how modeling helped him find himself. 

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Straw media. Marvin Cortez was the runner up on cycle twenty of the modeling competition show America's next top model. He's also a published author of the Book Don't Waste Your looks on likes and started his own beauty brand that creates product specifically for influencers. If you saw him on America's next top model, you probably know him as a bit of a player. He was always caught flirting with the girls competing on the show and even ended up in a short relationship with Renee Baguadine at the end of the season, which is part of the reason why Marvin's family never suspected that he was anything but straight. But last month Marvin posted a video telling everyone that he's bisexual and proud. Today we catch up with Marvin and talk about reality TV, coming out, homophobia and how modeling helped him find himself. My name is Marvin Cortez, and this is pride. Marvin Cortez grew up in South Bronx in New York City with his parents and his six brothers. That's a lot of masculine energy. One day he was working as a cashier at Zara when a woman came in and mentioned that he had the looks to be a model. At first he didn't think anything of it. Modeling was not something that I wanted to do. is just something kind of like the cliche. You look like a model, so you should just model. That was until he found out she was a casting director for America's next top model. It was the first time they were doing guys on the show and she was returning up pair jeans, kept staring at me and insisted that I auditioned. Marvin decided to give it a try and showed up at the casting call, but it wasn't at all what he was expecting. The line was like, I don't know if you ever watched American nighto, it's like it was like so long, like the big a wrapped around the block and I had class that day. I was going to community college at the time and I just I was like I can't stay.

But when he went to tell the casting director that he had to take off, she had other plans for Marvin. She'd like escorts me to the front. Everyone's mean mugging me. Everyone's like who is this guy? Why is he skipping? We've been here since like five in the morning and when I went up front, like tyra banks was doing the next set, and the first question was why do you want to be America's next top model? That was like the that's what they asked everyone, like we're on the lineup, they asked you, and so I just was like I'm not going to take the serious. I'm just going to be like well, there's girls in this house. I'm single, I definitely want to like me to hot girl. We're going to be stuck there for months that it's not like they can like block me. I you know, this is if I have a shot to get a girlfriend, this would be it. And she laughed and thought it was funny. Everyone else get kind of gave like the world peace kind of like answer it. I just kind of was like, I'm not going to take this serious. This is like obviously I'm not going to get pick all these beautiful people, and I was like let me just at least like make a fool myself, which I feel like I did on the show too. I didn't take myself serious. They must have liked his honesty because, out of all the people lining the block that day, Marvin was selected to compete on the show, but his attitude towards the competition never changed. I felt like, if you're going to be on TV, you got to really not take yourself serious on a show like that, like like everyone was trying to be too serious and I was just like don't take yourself too serious, like it's not the end of the world, which I regretted later because I was like, Oh, I got no I have to watch this. It's one thing to live being kind of like bunny, but then to like see how people react to it. Some of the jokes landed, some of it was in like didn't land. So, on top of having a care free attitude, Marvin also had no experience, which didn't go unnoticed by the judges. The whole time, the judges were saying I had one face at one pose, and that's exactly what happened. I had only one face one pose. I had no background. Marvin hadn't done any professional work before, so he turned to google to figure out how to pose in front of a camera. I just read online like you have to clench your jaw, you lower your...

...face a little and so and look very mean, like that's a model face for sure, right, like just like and then Clinton, the clenching of the jaws key and just looking like angry, like someone's taking forever for your start. Books were like just like we don't have time for this. But even with one model face, Marvin managed to make it pretty far in the competition and he learned a lot from the experience. Really became more confident and my modeling and realize why I came in second and why I didn't win, because I just didn't have the experience, I didn't have the portfolio that a top model would have needed to win the show. But this was just the beginning of Marvin's modeling career. After the show, he landed a contract with a modeling agency in Los Angeles and started traveling around the world to promote America's next top model. Fast forward, I guess, because that show is eight years ago, and still modeling, still working with great photographers, some of the biggest names I've worked with. You'd sigh, Steven Gomelli on. A lot of these people that are in the industry and work with the big names and I get to work with them before competing on America's next top model. Marvin avoided the modeling industry all together. I was was just afraid that it was going to obviously like out me, because you know, makeup and all these things that it was just like for me. What I've been taught growing up was that that was gay, and so I tried to avoid that as much as possible. Even when he decided to compete, he was worried about what his friends and family would think back home, so he did everything he could to make it look like he was only interested in dating competitors who identified as female. It was a little bit more of like trying to get with the girl more because of I felt like it was needed as a producer. I always kind of looked at the show as if I'm a producer. How...

...what would get the most ratings and what would be the most obvious day? So you have guys and girls for the first time, beautiful people in a house. People probably watching want to see a romance or a show man's and that's kind of where I was and I feel like a lot of the girls didn't really like that or they just was maybe they had boyfriends, but I was the only person with a girlfriend on that show. But that's that was just like a long, funny store because we actually were able to bond towards the end. She was like the one girl who I didn't like try to get with and because I was like she would never be into me, and she ended up like telling one of the girls she was into me, which I was like what, and so I just went for it. Marvin's family is originally from Honduras, a country that has made little progress towards lgbtq plus rights and equality. To help you understand Marvin's apprehension about coming out to his family, here's a little insight into the current culture and state of lgbtq plus acceptance in Honduras. According to Human Rights Watch, the governments of Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, collectively known as the northern triangle, failed to adequately protect lgbtq plus people against violence and discrimination. The organization released a hundred and fifty two page report on lgbtq plus rights in the three countries. It stated that Honduras had been unable to effectively address violence and entrenched discrimination against lgbtq plus people, leading many to seek asylum in the United States. Human Rights Watch interviewed a hundred and sixteen people from the three countries. Some described violence by family members, leading many to flee home as young as eight years old. So with that information, you can understand why Marvin, despite his family's assimilation into the United States, felt anxious about coming out. Even now, it's like if you're gay, they basically would beat you up, or they, like my own family, now that I'm out, would be like they're like, don't come to Honduras, like it's not safe for you here. Marvin's...

...family also voice their feelings on the queer community and made their stance know. All my brothers day joke around about, like you being gay. My Dad, because he only really knows Spanish. You know, if you do something too flamboyant, he'd be like are you, like, are you Gaya? Like? This is like a Spanish like the Tar Jay's like, are you Gaya? Like even after the show, like we had corey, who's an amazing guy and openly gay at the time. He always liked makes, you know, we he kind of would be like, oh, cory, like a Lakota, like cause him, like you know the very are you caused, Ricky Martin, Rikia Martin, like you know, he just if you're gay, he's going to make fun of you, and that is kind of like the culture and my family. Before Marvin came out, his family always bragged about their son's profession. They were so proud of him and the career he had built, and they also made sure to tell their friends and family that, although Marvin is a model, he was most definitely not gay. They introduced me as the model, but not the like gay, like he's not a mighty comb, which is like in Spanish of like equivalent to the f word, and that's how they introduce me, like they that's how they introduce me to New People, like he's a model, but he's not one of those, you know, and it's that's like constant, constant, constant, and so you're always trying to overcome that by being like strong, being like, you know, even fighting, if you can, just always trying to like let that scent go, which helps because you know you'd learned to defend yourself. You learn to be strong, which is kind of what I'm about. Is like for people that can't be strong, I'm like you can, you can go hit the gym, you can at least show physically that you are you're not to be messed with. But it's challenging to maintain a facade and keep up appearances before coming out. Marvin wished he could live a different life, one where he could be himself. I always thought when I...

...saw people and non binary types of people out in public, because I'm from New York, so that they're all over the place, I always was like jealous of them because they were so brave and so themselves, and I always was jealous the fact that they had the courage to to just be out and about and not be hiding it, whereas I, you know, have to be masculine, have a girl on my arm and has to be a pretty girl so that no one's not even thinking anything. The first time he tasted freedom was when he booked a photo shoot that required him to model more feminine clothing. I would myself inside be like, Oh, this is so great that I get to like explore this, you know, in front of everyone, like kind of like in your like hiding in plain sight with this, with the like, oh well, it's, you know, Givan Chi. That's how their brand is. Like, I'm getting paid to do this, so it's a job and but like inside I'm like loving it. I'm like, Oh, this is so cool, like I actually wouldn't hate being able to explore this side of me, because it I'm very masculine guy, but I also every I feel like every well, it take like a certain guy will bring out that feminine inside of me, which I love to be. The opportunity to dabble in gender fluid fashion happened on America's next top model, when one of the challenges required the guys to model Feminine Attire while the girls sported masculine garments, and you know, a lot of the guys had fun with it. One of the guys didn't, but he felt like, you know, he had to put up the ODE and want to do this, and I was just loving life because it was like the best thing to do on national TV again, like I'm having this cloak of like, f course, who's not going to do as top model? If they asked you to wear girl with clothes, you're going to do it. And where I was like I'm so excited that I get to just like show a part of myself, like to the people watching, my family watching, with that cloak of they're not going to be like, oh, he's gay, they're going to think, you know, a hundred thousand dollars. That's life changing money for us and for me that's what I'm always like happy and smiling because I'm like this is awesome, like this is the best gift for a closeted guy from...

...the south proms to be able to explore something that, like you, can only dream of exploring as such. I was twenty years old at the time and there was just I didn't have an outlet. I was like there was no place to I could go. There was no like fire island for me where I can go and be myself, and so this was like the biggest opportunity for me to really explore my sexuality within myself. It did help in the sense of like doing it and being like this is not a big deal. I don't get why my family has a problem with this. Even if I showed up to dinner wearing fishnets heels. You know why? What's the big deal? Like I just did it, you know, because it's as certain because I was for a project. It's her like a magazine. Then it's not a big deal. I mean they still kind of had a problem with it. Like I remember my mom was like what are you doing? Like people at the church or seeing this. They're saying like be careful with your son, and I was like mom, like this how much I made, and I would always give my mom money because she would owe it. Like that. Would like kind of quiet her down. She'd be like, Oh my God, my son. Then she'd drag up to her friends about that. He just gave me a thousand dollars, he just gave me two thousand dollars. You know, what is your son doing? And that's and that's to this day. I still kind of do that. I feel like I have to show her that I'm going to be successful and I am successful and there's no disability here. And it kind of also shows into my brothers, who are straight a hundred percent and aren't really contributing, whereas you know, because they think like being gay means that you know, you're going to get picked on and you're not going to get opportunities and it's act. I'm proving to them that that is just a hundred percent not the case. In fact, it's actually the complete opposite in my situation. When we come back, Marvin explains why he decided to come out to the world and to his family at the same time. Welcome back. Today we're talking to Marvin Cortez,...

...a twenty eight year old model who placed second in season twenty of America's next top model. Before the break, Marvin spoke about his recurring fear that is modeling career would end up outing him to the world and, more importantly, to his family. After nearly a decade working in the fashion industry and keeping his sexuality hidden in the back of his closet, Marvin came out as bisexual. He credits part of his coming out to David Archilletta, the American idol singer who came out as part of the LGBTQ plus community earlier this year. There was this big thing in high school where my friends were and we're from the same country, hunders. We're both from the same country, and so I feel like he understands like, even to this day, he was saying like he's a sexual. I understand that guilt of like not, yes, you can admit to yourself that you're gay or or, I'm sorry, Pan Sexual, or just buy and and just not wanting to act on it because you still feel a shame. Are you still feel like you're letting your parents down? Or you're like embarrassing them, and so your you punish yourself. It's a form of punishment. It's like even now I'm like, well, I'm never when I talk to my mom, I'm like I don't even I don't. After I like hang up, I'm like, I don't. How can I like even touch a man because of like how she's crying and how hysterical she is? I'm like I'm causing my mom pain and I can imagine for him is similar. Coming from religious family, you know, they think you're possessed your you know, even like it was a big thing and I actually didn't even come out to my parents in person. Everyone was saying you should just do that, which I'm glad I didn't, because when I just put it out on video and blast it out to social media, because I knew that my family would see it, I knew that the people in Honduras would see it. I mean, I didn't want to get talked out of it. Ultimately, Marvin shared an eleven minute video on social media and then came out to the world. Hey, guys, so I want to...

...let you guys know that I'm coming out as openly bisexual. I've been in love with both men and women and I've been proud to be a part of the gay community in my personal life and just want to share it now publicly. I look forward to living more of an authentic life and sharing that with you. In the video, Marvin said this is the first time his family had heard about his bisexuality. I've always felt like it's not my business to change people's minds, especially in my family. They think one way and it's it's a h und percent understandable and I want them to know that I've delayed this as much as possible because I respect them very much. But even after watching his video, Marvin's mom was still in denial about her son's identity. Literally, my mom, and I love her so much, was just like, you know, maybe it's just a phase and you don't, you know, understand that. You know, people compliment me all the time. Sometimes that doesn't mean you have to. She thinks like because gay get like gay guys hit on me, that I'm confused, that maybe, like that means I should act on that, and she doesn't understand. Like I've had two boyfriends, long term relationships, and I've been very happy in them and satisfied and I haven't been able to go down that far with my mom to tell her that, just because of how she takes it. I mean part of me was just like mom, come on, like how can you? I'm twenty eight years old, don't have a girlfriend, like what, how many more signs can I give you? And she just was like, I never saw this coming and it's part of it. It's my fault because I've been with girls who are kind of close to the family, you know, sexually, you know, and they always tell my mom like Oh, why, you know, with me and Marvin dated, we be so happy and he's so great and he treats me so nice and you know, he satisfied me so much, and what's wrong with your son? Like have him like married me already, like and so my mom's thinking, Oh, you know, she's so great for you. Why are you not? And I always tell her while I'm focused on work right him. So it's kind of complicated.

Since coming out, Marvin has been able to speak with his mom on the phone, although her reaction still wasn't what he wanted. At the time of this interview, Marvin still had not been able to connect with his dad so like even when he heard the news and my brother, who lives with my parents, had to translate the video for them, which again, probably subconsciously, was like, well, if it's in English, they really don't understand what I'm saying, and so my brother was like translating were like line for Lune to them. My Dad just like gets up and leaves the house, goes on a walk, doesn't come back from what my brother says for the end of the night. He's the type to just you can tell him something and he just won't give you a reaction at all and then he'll go and tell someone else how he really feels. And that's just like how we're brought up. We're not supposed to talk about our feelings. So that's why, when I was on the show, was crying a bunch because I was like, finally I'm in an environment where it's okay, like I can finally cry if I want to. I don't have to like muscle up and be all the stuff, which it like I'm fine with. Like you you don't want to cry, you you're good to go, like you don't have to cry if you don't want to. But I'm like, well, I feelings. I have all these emotions, like I'm very much like my mom that way, and here is like my dad, who's like this stone rock to this day. I mean he's I think now he's softened up in his older age, but he he won't give you the emotional reaction that you would want as a son, and that's what is probably the most unfortunate thing. But again I have to have understanding for him because of what he his upbringing is. You know, his dad didn't show emotion. It was just anger, and so that's really where I have to show understanding as much as you know, we all want to be like, well, what about me? I feel like I'm fine now, like I really got this weight off my shoulders coming...

...out with this video, and I wouldn't have changed how I did it. Marvin shared his coming out video on August, one of two thousand and twenty one. So it's very new and he's still learning to navigate a relationship with this family on the east coast. Yeah, I have might some uncles who have called my mom basically saying that I'm I have a demonic spirit on me and we have to pray for Marvin and I basically have been avoiding going to my mom's apartment because I know like she had she made me pray over the phone with her when we face time. And I mean I love being preyed on, I love you know, that's fine. It makes me feel better, it makes her feel better, but I don't I don't want to be subjected to May to be felt like I have some kind of problem or disease or, you know, the devil's using me. It's just at this point in my life as just just want to be accepted, but it's not as important to me that my parents accept me. So and I and I'm I feel like they if they don't come around, which my dad seems like he's doubling down on his like religion, which is fine, you know, if he doesn't want to speak to me ever again. That, I mean I got so many memories of him and so many memories. I'm glad that, like we got to travel together, I got to I got to do the things that I wanted to do with them. That, if it I never get to do it again, I still can hold on to those memories. But I'm past kind of like him accepting me and needing his approval which again it's like once you don't need your parents approval anymore, and I don't like I'm so free. I feel so free and liberated. Like if my dad hates me, I know he loves me. It's just coming from some part of him that, you know, does it. I don't know if wants the best for me or something, or he believes is right or wrong. I just want to be happy, I just want to, you know, love the people I love. Despite the challenges, Marvin is excited to be out and live freely. Oh my God, it feels like there's no word...

...really to describe it because it's so im I'm I'm realizing so many things. I used to have a problem. I used to smoke every day, like I used to smoke weed every day because, no matter how great my day was, I would go to sleep knowing like I would even hate going to see my family because I'm like I have to be this person that they want me to be. I have to like my dad talks about girls all the time, I have to like feed into this and and then or he makes a gay joke, I have to like finish the punch line and and it's just such a like weird dynamic energe it. For me, it's so much pain, pain, pain, pain, and I would like bury it with just like smoking or even drinking, because I'm just like, why can't I just be myself? Why does my fan why do I have to have the best family which loves me, but they won't love the version of me that's actually me? And why, like I'm just going to keep smoking and punish myself and just like abuse myself in any way I can, because, like I can't be myself. I have to like live for them. And you know, I feel like as soon as I came out, that video came out, I got all that support from, you know, from my fans, not not necessarily all my family, but I don't I haven't smoked since like I'm like thirty one days not smoking, and I'm and I love weed. I'm not saying good is bad, it's just I was abusing this thing that feels so good and would for make me forget and bury that, like I don't have to come out now and I would always make excuses. In response to his video, Marvin received countless messages from fans and people around the world expressing how much history means to them. The outcore of support has been great. Obviously, you want it to be from your family, but I have a new family now and I love this community and they've always been accepting of me and, like I want to show my support for them, and...

...that's why I want to be more at vocal about being gay and being bisexual. I know some people are like, why is he keep saying bisexual gays? Because people don't have a problem with me being straight in the bisexual spectrum. It's the gay part that they have a problem with. When they start to say, well, you know, is he get? Is he doing this for like attention? And it's for me. No one had a problem with me once I was when I was dating girls. It's me being with men that they have problem with, at least in my family, and that's what I'm trying to show because at least and just to show respect to like my boyfriend right like just I don't want to be hiding any my love for someone that's I mean I'm I'm at his parents house for for Christmas, I'm at his parents for New Year's and I love them and it's a shame that I like I feel like I can't introduce this great guy to my family, and I did under the context of, you know, he this is my friend, and at least I got to see how kind they are. He got to see how kind they are and how like sweet they are, even though they if they, if he ever probably comes around again, they probably, they'll probably a treat him differently. I just want to show people if I can help one person. I was saying, like if my I was telling my mom, like, if my video help one person, then it was worth it and I don't want to take it back. She was like you should just take it down, like you know, let's discuss this more, and I was just like, I can't, I can't. After reading some of the messages, I think it's important to have visit ability and to have people that it's not just like you won't you want people kind of like out in the open and and still being themselves in authentic, like I don't feel any different. If you're struggling with your sexuality or with coming out to your family and friends. Marvin wants you or now, please trust yourself and trust your instincts and don't let someone rush you. Everyone has to go at their own pace. In your own journey and you will know when it's right. I would say don't let anyone else force you. I had agents when...

...and modeling tell me just come out already and are do out magazine. They want to do a story just because. I would tell some of my close agents and stuff like a I'm seeing a guy, and they'd be like, Oh, well, you know, we can, we can do this as a fashion thing, and I was like, well, I'm not ready. I'm twenty five years old, I'm finally on my own. I don't want to like just for like a story, like for a magazine like issue. I don't want to do that, like that's not I didn't have love in my life. I didn't like there was no point, you know, just for price. Not Worth it. Yeah, exactly. On top of modeling, Marvin is also a content creator and utilizes the platform only fans, which, if you've been living under a rock, is a subscription social network known for offering exclusive and adult content. I do have an only fans that's just more only fans at Marvin Cortez, where again I'm showing myself in a different way because I want I feel like when people come out and they don't actually see you being who you say you are. I want to actually show people like Oh, it's not just repressed, like I'm going to show you my real life, and that's kind of what I feel like. Only fans is showing your personal life to in a like your private life, in a very personal way, and I'm get getting so much great feedback from people just because they can see it for themselves. It's not just something they've read about. It's like, okay, he's just like me or we're very similar, and I want to be able to show that side of me because I feel like visually, if they see it, like just like the video they see it, it's something that becomes real to them. It's not just like some rumor like, Oh, I heard this person might be gay, or I you know, I heard I saw them hook up with a guy to party, which is la thing like Oh, he might be gay, even though it's like I want to show and be myself and slowly, you know, transition into showing my partner and and things like that as time goes on. At the time of this interview, only fans had announced they were banning all explicit...

...content from their site. The announcement panick too many creators on the platform as they tried to figure out how to make a living without that income. I think to turn off your two hundred and fifty million revenue stream per month is is not a smart move. I hope those invest like where who's going to invest in a company that's turning off their biggest cash cat like I hope, like anyone who's trying to give money to only fans, if they do completely, just stop bit. I hope they realize like that's a dumb investment, like why would you invest in chick fil a and then the second you invest in it they're done selling chicken? It makes no sense to me as a business person and I feel like it's not really clear. They're saying it's just users because they don't have age verification. I guess if you sign up you just need a credit card. There's no verification process. You can still post stuff, whereas we go through as a creator, we go through a age verification. We have to show our idea, we have to take a picture of the ID we had. We have to do this hope background check. Also put our like irs. Stuff are ten ninety nines and w nines and things like that. So, you know, we have accountability and things like that. I've been seeing so many of my favorite creators just also worried and things like that. For me, I'm like, this is not really a smart move. I know a lot of people kind of were like happy about it. I see like a lot of people making fun of it, like all they have to now go to work at McDonald's and things like that. That's what I don't really understand, like why whack people are so like happy getting on someone else's pain or someone else's like yeah, again, they're it's not really clear what they're doing. They're putting out a statement in a couple days and I'm hoping after October first day don't change it. It's just for the users and they're changing a couple things about like obviously not showing rape or incest or these kind of like forceful things, which is kind of like a no brainer, I do would think. But I'm hoping that after October you see people, you can kind of be like you, good for you,...

...like in terms of like seeing the people who should like we're trying to make fun of you, like well, here you go, we're still here. You know, we're still queer and we're still like doing what we love. Since this interview, the founders of only fans have suspended the band on explicit content. So what's next for Marvin? Right now I'm working with creative staying productions, which we just shot the dixie music video. It's called psycho. She's like one of the biggest tick talkers. We're working on different projects. Right now I'm shooting a magazine cover and story with these two photographers. They prefer not be named yet, but it's coming out in October and we're shooting and say what magazine it is. I don't think they even want me to say, but it will be some a magazine that you can buy in stores and I'm just excited to kind of be back into shooting fashion, because during the pandemic everything just shut down. So it's good to kind of be back and doing projects. And also the stories are around bisexuality, so we're shooting with a guy and a girl and we're kind of like showcaseeeing just with fashion, which is what I love, the story of people being bisexual and it being like something that does exist. So we're just excited about that and I'm just excited about being able to use my platform to again connect with people that at are struggling with coming out or if they come out and still don't have the family support that you know we're not alone and you know, hopefully it does get better in time. Besides his only fans account, you can follow Marvin on Instagram, Tick Tock and facebook. Well, they can follow me on Instagram Marvin Cortez one, and on twitter Marvin Cortez one. I just got on Tick Tock, which is that is Marve Cortez Twenty one. I believe it's my birthdays twenty one. Pride is a production of Straw hut media.

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